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natcherly wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:05 am Then there's this...
That's a sweet setup you've got there. I've always thought the classic Mini-14 "Ranch Rifle" just looks more comfortable and traditional than an A1 or A2 style AR. Plus, the versions like yours can get quite compact and are capable of being fired with the stock folded (All AR folding stocks disable the weapon unless its the ridiculously priced Colt SCW stock or a specialized AR derivative without a buffer tube). I especially like the heat sheild and muzzle brake. Just my opinion, but I think a classic leather sling would really complement it nicely, or a surplus M1 carbine sling.

I've heard that there's an extremely easy/simple and totally reversible modification to make the trigger capable of binary fire (fires once on both pull and release). Usually called the "staple mod" as it just requires inserting/shimming a piece of the fire group with a carpeting staple or paperclip bent into the shape of an L or 7. This mod is generally considered mechanically safe and totally legal in the US, folks have even explicitly written to the ATF asking about this and were given the thumbs up. Most other guns require an expensive aftermarket specialty trigger to get a binary fire option.

I got to shoot a dealer's personal Ruger AC-556 at one point. Basically a Mini-14 with an FA fire-selector and short barrel. It was extremely fun. Had the same folding stock plus semi, burst, and auto. Nearly a decade later and I'm still jealous of that thing.
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Weird . . .I the quote from my post is too much unrelated to this forum string.
So I will comment.

to Dark2023 . . . . Beautiful real Thompson . . . . I have stuff I'll never shoot.
Don't shoot it. . .If you do, watch people don't drop it or scuff it up . . . .
Heirloom ATF piece. . . You didn't have to file for a "Trust" to inherit it.?
I know you can inherit pistols without re-registering them.
but "select-fire" class 3 stuff ? . . .don't you need a new tax stamp for a transfer ?

I bought a real M1a springfield, instead of an SKS or AK.
I really like SKS's . . .and I like the AK underfolding stock.
But. . .Buy American. . .

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I saw so many friends toy guns growing up, I had two brothers, we shared.
I played with a "Tommy Burst", and I had the Mattel Tommy-gun painted green camo.
My brother was younger, and used it more. . .My brother had the Mattel M16 Marauder too..

I was older. . .I wanted lever actions. . . or a Luger Spy Pistol.
But I had a weird Bolt action wood and metal carbine with a non-removable 20 round Mag.
It was one of those Parris Trainers.
And I had a real red Ryder "Pop-Gun" . . .looked like a BB-Gun, but no BB's.
and My Shootin' Shell Fanner.
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I did shoot a lot of 45 rounds , I have Gov. 1911's.
Briefly I had a real Auto-Ordnance Thompson Carbine. Fixed Stock, stick mags only.
It was not cut for a drum. You could unbolt the stock.. but it was still too heavy.
We'd walk to an old 1890's coal strip mine, now flooded into a small lake/pond.
Carrying 100 rounds of 45 and 300 rds of 22LR, and water, and a lunch, and
an all steel Thompson . . . It would fire 45's out of a carbine barrel so quietly.
Chug. . chug. . .chug. . .softer than a 22 pistol. . . quieter than an M1 carbine.
What a pain in the butt to carry. . . . It's a bench weapon. . . or a Tank/Jeep weapon.

I shoot an 11 inch barrel Enforcer M1 carbine pistol with a custom pistol stock.
15rd mags. . .Fast, light. points easy. . .penetrates like a 357 mag. . .
It's a lot like a Mini-14, just doesn't have the ballistics of 5.56.
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Nice Jerry!!
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Heirloom ATF piece. . . You didn't have to file for a "Trust" to inherit it.?
I know you can inherit pistols without re-registering them.
but "select-fire" class 3 stuff ? . . .don't you need a new tax stamp for a transfer ?
So technically you CAN transfer select fire weapons tax-free, but only once, on an ATF Form 5. My dad already got 'em that way, so he and I had to set up a trust to keep passing them down. Which means we had to file for 3 new stamps to transfer both Thompsons and the MP40 to the trust. My father is still around, so we trade 'em back and forth occasionally, as a trust allows. Which is why I could only show off 1 Thompson prior, he had the other 1 until a few weeks ago. I highly recommend a trust, I've added my SBRs to it as well so they can be shared. If my dad had bought the guns though, then they could've transfered to me for free on a Form 5.
And I had a real red Ryder "Pop-Gun" . . .looked like a BB-Gun, but no BB's.
Hey, I had 1 of those, too. Exactly like what you just described, except mine had a silly orange tip because it was in the 90s, but they were STILL making them even then.
I bought a real M1a springfield, instead of an SKS or AK.
I really like SKS's . . .and I like the AK underfolding stock.
But. . .Buy American. . .
Honestly, I love the AK, but prefer the solid wood stock models. I almost never shoot my underfolder version because it's weirdly balanced and 7.62russian has gotten expensive lately. But my father has a Chinese Norinco M14s (that's what they marked it) and honesty it's been great. Seems to be equal to a Springfield, some folks even say the Chinese receivers are tougher and closer to Mil-Spec, though we've never compared it side-by-side.
Briefly I had a real Auto-Ordnance Thompson Carbine. Fixed Stock, stick mags only.
It was not cut for a drum. You could unbolt the stock.. but it was still too heavy.
My M1A1 is exactly like that, the WW2 stock was reinforced for combat use, in case you had to "butt stroke" and enemy with it. The earlier '21 and '28 stock is quick-detach but gets loose and would probably break if you wielded it like a club. I honestly don't like the M1 as much because it's harder to control and blasts gas into you face when shooting. I think the control thing has to do with it having the heaviest bolt, lightest receiver, and no compensator, despite being slower when fired in auto.
I shoot an 11 inch barrel Enforcer M1 carbine pistol with a custom pistol stock.
15rd mags. . .Fast, light. points easy. . .penetrates like a 357 mag. . .
It's a lot like a Mini-14, just doesn't have the ballistics of 5.56.
I've always thought those Enforcer pistols were super neat. Same with the Vietnam "Advisor" M1 pistols, which were basically just a folding stock M1A1 carbine with the barrel sawn off at the receiver. But the Enforcers are cooler, because they were actually meant to be short, plus standard .30carbine has so much punch that it's actually naturally armour piercing, similar to 5.56. I've always thought a select-fire M2 Enforcer would be awsome to see or try out. If I'm not mistaken, I think Patty Hearst carried a converted full-auto Enforcer during the famous bank heist.

Speaking of Hearst, anyone that knows Warren Zavon probably knows where this is going, "Rollin the headless Thompson gunner" was one of his less famous songs. So without further ado, here's my M1A1 style Thompson, and a comparison of 'em together.

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Damn cool dark!

Long time no see. Glad your still kickin
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You have to remember, the 45 was designed for up close and personal. The low velocity and size of the caliber would knock a man to his knees. A 223 or 556 would go through a man but a 45 would drop him and stop there. This caliber was never a "ranged" round.The 1911 is the most iconic pistol in history.

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Great guns and pictures.
I must take exception to your last post.
Physics does not allow a bullet to move a human body more than an inch or so at best. If it did the gun's recoil would be horrendous.
The .45 acp is an excellent stopper.
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boots wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 2:05 am You have to remember, the 45 was designed for up close and personal. The low velocity and size of the caliber would knock a man to his knees. A 223 or 556 would go through a man but a 45 would drop him and stop there. This caliber was never a "ranged" round.The 1911 is the most iconic pistol in history.

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Bill DeShivs wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:03 pm Great guns and pictures.
I must take exception to your last post.
Physics does not allow a bullet to move a human body more than an inch or so at best. If it did the gun's recoil would be horrendous.
The .45 acp is an excellent stopper.
The 45 was designed by the military to stop approaching enemy, with low velocity and a large slug, this has proved effective. At close range a 45 slug will drop a 200 lb man to his knees. I think the low velocity is what makes the 45 so effective.
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boots wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:51 am
Bill DeShivs wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:03 pm Great guns and pictures.
I must take exception to your last post.
Physics does not allow a bullet to move a human body more than an inch or so at best. If it did the gun's recoil would be horrendous.
The .45 acp is an excellent stopper.
The 45 was designed by the military to stop approaching enemy, with low velocity and a large slug, this has proved effective. At close range a 45 slug will drop a 200 lb man to his knees. I think the low velocity is what makes the 45 so effective.
Mr. Boots,

The .45 ACP is by far my most favorite cartridge. When the sheriff told his deputies they could carry any sidearm they wanted, my son purchased a Sig P220 in .45 ACP with an 8 round clip. One night, he emptied that clip into the chest of some deranged idiot who was coming at him with an axe. My son got to go home that night, the bad guy went to the morgue.

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Bonzo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:44 pm
boots wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:51 am
Bill DeShivs wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:03 pm Great guns and pictures.
I must take exception to your last post.
Physics does not allow a bullet to move a human body more than an inch or so at best. If it did the gun's recoil would be horrendous.
The .45 acp is an excellent stopper.
The 45 was designed by the military to stop approaching enemy, with low velocity and a large slug, this has proved effective. At close range a 45 slug will drop a 200 lb man to his knees. I think the low velocity is what makes the 45 so effective.
Mr. Boots,

The .45 ACP is by far my most favorite cartridge. When the sheriff told his deputies they could carry any sidearm they wanted, my son purchased a Sig P220 in .45 ACP with an 8 round clip. One night, he emptied that clip into the chest of some deranged idiot who was coming at him with an axe. My son got to go home that night, the bad guy went to the morgue.

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People do some dumb shit sometimes, and sometimes they pay for it. He got what he deserved!
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Bonzo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:44 pm
boots wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:51 am
Bill DeShivs wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:03 pm Great guns and pictures.
I must take exception to your last post.
Physics does not allow a bullet to move a human body more than an inch or so at best. If it did the gun's recoil would be horrendous.
The .45 acp is an excellent stopper.
The 45 was designed by the military to stop approaching enemy, with low velocity and a large slug, this has proved effective. At close range a 45 slug will drop a 200 lb man to his knees. I think the low velocity is what makes the 45 so effective.
Mr. Boots,

The .45 ACP is by far my most favorite cartridge. When the sheriff told his deputies they could carry any sidearm they wanted, my son purchased a Sig P220 in .45 ACP with an 8 round clip. One night, he emptied that clip into the chest of some deranged idiot who was coming at him with an axe. My son got to go home that night, the bad guy went to the morgue.

Best regards,

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