Bargeon Scale Repair Question.

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Bargeon Scale Repair Question.

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Hi Bill and the Gang,
I was reviewing member "omega" post named: "Front Scale Repair - 23cm Walt's Latama in Black Teflon"
Omega was fixing a hair line crack, I just picked up a old Bargeon with a big crack in the scale.

Looking back on omega's post I don't think super glue will work because of the size of the crack.
I'm trying to find a two part epoxy that dries black (I like JB weld epoxy but dries gray).
Any one know of a black drying epoxy? So I can fill, sand, buff. Or any other ideas?
Thanks in advance, Ross
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I can't recall any black epoxy. You may be able to use wood putty. It comes in a rainbow colors. Check with your local hardware store for ideas and suggestions.
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BFR , this product works very well and would be darn near undetectable on your knife but gets pricey and not available retail , youll need the activator.... if you know an auto body shop can order, this can be sanded and is black.. this knife had a large portion of the handle missing and I repaired with this product ..... looks decent an held up well . good luck! If your close come on by and I`ll repair it for you over a Coke :)
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Polyester casting resin dries very hard and can be polished. It can be dyed with lamp black,epoxy dyeing powders, or finely ground charcoal.
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Jay and Bill,

Both great ideas!

The autobody repair material sounds easy. Your repair looks perfect. It also reminded me of my friend he repaired a few scratches on his boat with epoxy. He used an epoxy pigment to tint the epoxy. Check out West Marine or any other Marine store.

I'm wondering if I could fabricate an entire scale and checker it with my file.

Hi Bill, have you repaired scales using the method you've suggested? How did everything work out?

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I have repaired many scales like I mentioned. It works pretty well.
Checkering with a single point file is an exercise in futility.
You can cast entire scales with casting resin. They will be slightly undersized.
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niceguy2 wrote:BFR , this product works very well and would be darn near undetectable on your knife but gets pricey and not available retail , youll need the activator.... if you know an auto body shop can order, this can be sanded and is black.. this knife had a large portion of the handle missing and I repaired with this product ..... looks decent an held up well . good luck! If your close come on by and I`ll repair it for you over a Coke :)
Hey niceguy2,
NICE Job on your knife, looks good! I'm familiar with some auto body adhesives /glue, I was thinking about
panel bond" two part glue,but it takes over eight hours to dry, so it might do a lot of running or oozing.

I Googled "kent black super bond kt14676" and the description said "Rubber-toughened, high-viscosity".
I can't tell from your photo, did you (can you) buff the handle/scale to a gloss finish? It looks like you kept yours
to a matte finish.
Bill DeShivs wrote:Polyester casting resin dries very hard and can be polished. It can be dyed with lamp black,epoxy dyeing powders, or finely ground charcoal.
Hi Bill,
Good idea about the dyeing powders/ground charcoal I didn't even think about mixing!

Thanks Guys for the suggestions!
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Hey Gang,
I SWEAR I did not see this when I did my search yesterday, I guess I was looking with my fingers, not my eyes :)
I will try it and let you know how it works. I will see if some one locally caries it so give me some time.


J-B Weld 50139 Plastic Bonder Body Panel Adhesive and Gap Filler Syringe - Dries Black

https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-50139-P ... oxy+filler
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Hello BFR,
Looks like you found exactly what you need let us know how it works out.
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This won't help with the repair, but that's not a Bargeon. Not sure who made them but have a few and never seen one with their stamp and they stamp their knives.
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It can be polished to a shined finish
bigfatross wrote:
niceguy2 wrote:BFR , this product works very well and would be darn near undetectable on your knife but gets pricey and not available retail , youll need the activator.... if you know an auto body shop can order, this can be sanded and is black.. this knife had a large portion of the handle missing and I repaired with this product ..... looks decent an held up well . good luck! If your close come on by and I`ll repair it for you over a Coke :)
Hey niceguy2,
NICE Job on your knife, looks good! I'm familiar with some auto body adhesives /glue, I was thinking about
panel bond" two part glue,but it takes over eight hours to dry, so it might do a lot of running or oozing.

I Googled "kent black super bond kt14676" and the description said "Rubber-toughened, high-viscosity".
I can't tell from your photo, did you (can you) buff the handle/scale to a gloss finish? It looks like you kept yours
to a matte finish.
Bill DeShivs wrote:Polyester casting resin dries very hard and can be polished. It can be dyed with lamp black,epoxy dyeing powders, or finely ground charcoal.
Hi Bill,
Good idea about the dyeing powders/ground charcoal I didn't even think about mixing!

Thanks Guys for the suggestions!
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autoknife wrote:This won't help with the repair, but that's not a Bargeon. Not sure who made them but have a few and never seen one with their stamp and they stamp their knives.
Hey Autoknife,
Check out the post from Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:33 pm. Titled " No Name Bargeon? "
Or just copy/paste address below
http://www.talkblade.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24186

This is one of those "Bargeon" type knifes. I found the post interesting.
Thanks Ross
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Most of the French knives made by many different companies looked similar and had the utilitarian black checkered plastic scales. Bargeon stamped their knives as such, as did Begon. I'm not sure who made that particular knife, but I've seen Bargeon catalogs and that model isn't in it. Either is the lockback from the link you provided.
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autoknife wrote:Most of the French knives made by many different companies looked similar and had the utilitarian black checkered plastic scales. Bargeon stamped their knives as such, as did Begon. I'm not sure who made that particular knife, but I've seen Bargeon catalogs and that model isn't in it. Either is the lockback from the link you provided.
Hi autoknife,
Yup, there ain't too much info that I can find on these French knifes. I have a lot of questions on the French knifes.
I find it strange that (as far as I know) there is no more French autos being made. I think France made it illegal
to make autos? or maybe they aren't big sellers? Like I said, I have a lot of questions on the French knifes.
Ross
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Hi Gang,
I finally got around to repairing the "NO name Bargeon" using the J-B Weld 50139 Plastic Bonder Body Panel Adhesive
I filled the crack and was able to sand and buff. It came out half way decent, but if you look close the black
is not exactly the same as the scale.I cleaned it up and polished it, the brass now shines along with the blade and scales
here are a few pics.Thanks to all for there input!
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