Porn at the Pump

[Vagrant]

Thank you Mr Vanagas, now we are getting somwhere beyond theory!

40 years as a Electro-mechanical tech/Industrial mechanic ain't "theory"
Useless gadgets, sold to the gullable IS

[Vagrant]

Why no more jars? He sez you can only run 4 off one alternator

That means the alternator is at full load and drawing 8-12 HORSEPOWER from your engine This will accelerate the wear on the alternator bearings, drive belt, etc, and on the engine and electrical system
plus use more gas
triple your mileage ??? LMAO
All that damage ain't worth $20

[Cryptomecanic]

Thank you Mr Vanagas, now we are getting somwhere beyond theory!

40 years as a Electro-mechanical tech/Industrial mechanic ain't "theory"
Useless gadgets, sold to the gullable IS

that's what I meant, what I was refering to was the theory of the mayonaise jar under the hood,
(I allready said I did'nt see how it could work)

[Cryptomecanic]

I dont see how hooking up the jar would be any different than a radio or a headlight,the wire's in the jar arent even touching

[Cryptomecanic]

Running a car on BS we can either run the car on Methane or Smoke (mother earth news ) (lindsays books)

[Vagrant]

I dont see how hooking up the jar would be any different than a radio or a headlight,the wire's in the jar arent even touching

It's been stated "up to 4 jars" beyond that you need another alternator. That tells you at 4 jars the alternator is at full load/output. At full load an alternator takes 8-12 hp to turn. That 8-12 hp comes from only one place - your engine
Since 8-12 hp could run a sub-compact at "city speed" that tells you how much you're losing - about like towing a Civic behind you
IF you live in the boonies and are hooked to the grid OR have a generator this is a great way to make some welding gas [But, storage hasn't been mentioned?] Hydogen burns GREAT, one place I worked used it for glass forming operations since it was superior to other gasses and they used a LOT But theirs came from tanks. Very LARGE tanks We took even a hint of a leak VERY seriously [disappearing in a flash, is NO fun]

[Cryptomecanic]

you could put a couple of battery's in the trunk,hook them up to the mayonaise jars drive around a while and when you get back put them on the charger

[Vagrant]

you could put a couple of battery's in the trunk,hook them up to the mayonaise jars drive around a while and when you get back put them on the charger

By the time you have it in gear, you'll be out of the gas you made. You ain't going to "drive around a while"
Rhodes and Brown BOTH talked about cubic feet per hour a car uses cubic ACRES per mile
At one mile an hour you won't go 3 feet

[Cryptomecanic]

It said it will make the car use less gasoline(if it works)

[Vanagas]

OK, just to add more fuel to the fire.....the #1 reason why this is total BS......

IF this worked, it would be one of the greatest events in the history of mandkind! Can you imagine? No more energy crisis, gasoline would prob be a buck a gal again. People all over the world would benefit and with all that money saved everyone's standard of living would improve. A global boom! In no time at all, every internal combustion engine would be converted. I mean at $4/gal I'd like to have one on my lawn tractor! Even if'n I only saved me a twenty, why not?

Oddly it appears like the three of us discussing this are all dubious, yet it seems like an argument, eh? The part that floors me is how so many seem to be buying into this regardless of the ridiculous claims. I am not 100% certain it won't work either. I would really really like to be mos wrong too!

[Vanagas]

One other thing, addressing Mr Vagrant's comments. Yes I believe you are pretty much correct on the HP lost by the spinning alt, BUT proponents want to claim it is spinning and drawing that HP anyway and once the batt energy used to start the car is replenished it doesn't do a lot. Now, does an alt under load draw more HP than if there were little elect demand? I suspect so, but can't confirm. For example your A/C comp cycles like that, but you can definitely tell when it kicks in. Not so with the alt. I discount the wear and tear on the engine. I'm sure it occurs, but wouldn't be real concerned about that aspect.

The other humorous point for me is that anybody could believe that it would be better to generate this gas on board using stuff from the kitchen instead of making it at home. You could just pump it into an MT propane tank and avoid a lot hassle I think. I suspect this isn't cost effective however. Prob takes more in elect energy than the amount of energy contained in the H. Otherwise why wouldn't more people and companies make it? I wasn't kidding about the lamp cord and fishing sinkers I posted previously. This does work. Try it and see. It was fun to do, but could never figure out a use for the H and the O. It always freaked me out more than gun powder so no H bombs were made. At least not purposefully.

[Vanagas]

Although I share your sentiments regarding ebay, it is nice when it works out to your advantage. Posted for you amusement, a jacket I sniped for a few pennies extra at the very end of auction. This immaculate riding jacket would cost nearly $150 new too!

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[Vagrant]

One other thing, addressing Mr Vagrant's comments. Yes I believe you are pretty much correct on the HP lost by the spinning alt, BUT proponents want to claim it is spinning and drawing that HP anyway and once the batt energy used to start the car is replenished it doesn't do a lot. Now, does an alt under load draw more HP than if there were little elect demand? I suspect so, but can't confirm. For example your A/C comp cycles like that, but you can definitely tell when it kicks in. Not so with the alt. I discount the wear and tear on the engine. I'm sure it occurs, but wouldn't be real concerned about that aspect.

The alternator's load on the engine depends on the electrical demand made on it
It can [almost] free-wheel or it can place a load of several hp on the engine. It varies with the electrical demands.

[Vagrant]

The BEST story ?
The Stanley Steamer was "killed" by petrolium companies
The Stanley Steamer got 4 - 6 mpg OF GAS, that it burned to run the boiler
Bet no-one knew that

[whiskers]

I learned of a gas saver the other day while helping out on a farm. the guy was putting vegetable oil in the gas tank of his diesel truck. he said the 20% mix boosts HP and improves gas mileage.