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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:38 am

Latama would have sold them until the 1954 ban, but production didn't run up until 1954.

After September of 1951, Latama ordered nearly zero switchblades for the rest of 1951 and in 1952 only about 1000 switchblades TOTAL were ordered by Latama. Production records indicate no new Latamas were made from Pasquale Patrizio's Cutlery factory after mid-1952.

In 1952 Latama and Ethan Products Inc (Ethan 1953) were nearly the same company (by the mid 1950's in fact they consolidated into the same company with B&B Imports too) and Ethan along with Latama had signed a contract with Co.Ri.Ca.Ma. so they would have been getting Ethan 1953 knives in 1953 and 1954, rather than Latamas.
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Panzerfaust » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:18 am

Very interesting and it surprises me how many have survived considering that many were no doubt broken, crushed or sent to the smelter.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:24 am

see post below...
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:26 am

Panzerfaust wrote:Very interesting and it surprises me how many have survived considering that many were no doubt broken, crushed or sent to the smelter.


I understand, but....I find it surprising how so FEW have survived and how so FEW are known to collectors.

I would guess only about 2000-3000 Latamas have been accounted for by U.S. Collectors. ll bet there are roughly 45,000 Latamas unaccounted for right now.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby ILikeStilettos » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:15 am

Recently with the news that many more Latamas were made than in collectors hands, it seems everyone is trying to cash in. Offers of Latamas have multiplied, prices have dropped radically. I have two to sell for a friend in the $600 plus range (no doubt where he bought them) but the current market is less than half that. Another friend concluded that this is the golden time for a young collector to buy them, regardless of price, expecting that prices will stabilize and go back up. He predicts that in a decade, when the knives fail to reappear, they will be even more expensive than before. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Many were destroyed by mom's and teachers and youthful abandon. Many rusted or got bug bitten in drawers and tool boxes and got tossed in the garbage years ago. Some bought them as pocket or utility knives and they, not being the strongest or most functional of knives, were used up. Some used in petty crimes were destroyed rather than found as evidence. It's never been a question of how many were made. It's been an overestimation of the percentage that survived. Unless someone recognises collector value decades before the items become popular and has the means to hold, store, and carefully protect the ravages of time provide a highly effective purge. The old makes way for the new.
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:56 pm

Good post Dave. Here is another thing to ponder: Many Latamas (and other brands) are still hidden away and are still surfacing every day. It's not like the 1958 and 1959 Les Paul guitars where they have serial numbers and all but a few are accounted for. New knives surface all the time.

Ten years ago, many in the hobby (with zero facts) thought Latama Square buttons were prototypes and only a dozen or two were made. We have now proven this Square button prototype myth to completely wrong. Every years since I started collecting seriously, a new Square button has turned up at the rate of about one per year. Many thought only 24 were made, and now there are more than 24 known in the hands of collectors. In fact a new 7" model was just discovered a month ago. And I'm sure more sill surface over time.

My point is, many new treasures are still hidden and will still surface one day. So rarity is relative. Many of the best and rarest old Italian switchblades from the late 1800s are just being discovered over 100 years later. So collect what you like and do your research

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Panzerfaust » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:38 pm

orangeboy wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Very interesting and it surprises me how many have survived considering that many were no doubt broken, crushed or sent to the smelter.


I understand, but....I find it surprising how so FEW have survived and how so FEW are known to collectors.

I would guess only about 2000-3000 Latamas have been accounted for by U.S. Collectors. ll bet there are roughly 45,000 Latamas unaccounted for right now.



I don't disagree and I didn't mean to imply that a large number have survived, only that they don't seem to be rare either. I saw 10-15 Latamas for sale at a recent gun show. More of them do seem to be coming out of woodwork and I agree there are more out there waiting to be found. Any idea of the total number of Latamas produced.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:07 pm

Hi Matt.

After collecting seriously for only a couple short years I noticed there seemed to be more Latamas than any others. I base that on watching auctions and saving pictures of every stiletto I ever saw. After a few years I noticed the amount of Latamas that I had saved from pictures were double or triple any other.

Without adding up every single Latama made I would estimate 50,000 from Late 1947-1952.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby orangeboy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:06 pm

Talk about me derailing a thread, lol going back to the Black Beauty knives.

Not many auto versions are known. And not many manual versions. The auto versions can get very pricey so try to get a manual version If you can. Here is my 7" manual version, and a rare ad. :mrgreen:
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Panzerfaust » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:12 am

Nice! I don't own a BB but I do like the vintage manuals from the late 50s and early 60s. Gotta love the attempt at damage control in the ad. "Closes with lightning speed." LMAO! I'm just glad many states have repealed these stupid laws and on Nov. 1, I will be able to legally carry, but only on weekends because I often enter buildings where knives are verboten.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Dillonwarner » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:27 pm

I have a black beauty.

Blade reads: black beauty, made in Italy.

Slightly chipped on one handle. Blade unsharpened. Opens at the speed of sound but does not stay locked when open

I am curious to learn more about this piece
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Bill DeShivs » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:51 pm

Show us the other side, please.
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby Fishtail Picklock » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:00 pm

Beautiful old knives. It is too bad that so many have been destroyed. The Italian Stiletto, while iconic, is so limited in use.

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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby JulesVane » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:21 pm

I actually thought even the manual ones were worth more https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Beauty-I ... 1438.l2649
...Like Bill, I'd be interested to view the other side. Assuming "super-sonic speed" means it's an auto? lol
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Re: Original Black Beauty

Postby morrissey » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:19 am

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