New Paragon ATKO 10 / Para-X are finally done.

[horizonod]

Mr Horizonrod I dunno who pissed in your Cheerios this week, but you've been a bit of a butthead. btw that is an opinion.

Mr V. It seems you are fairly consistent in pissing in peoples cheerios so I'll consider the source and accept your opinion with that in mind but, once again, you misunderstand.

You didn't piss in MY cheerios. You pissed in somebodies cheerios irresponsibly and without reason by offering a negative opinion on something you have no knowledge of other than you can't afford it and "think" it's too expensive based on your limited knowledge of anything associated with the quality of materials or manufacturing process.

Since it seems you've learned what an opinion is please tell us what real experience your negative opinion of the Para-X was based on. Some fact to backup your opinion might also be helpful.

[SRD115]

At the risk of getting splattered with yellow Cheerios, I just want to jump in and out real quick and say thx to Vagrant and
--J for their feedback to my question. Thx guys!!!
SRD

[Vanagas]

Mr Horizonrod I dunno who pissed in your Cheerios this week, but you've been a bit of a butthead. btw that is an opinion.

Mr V. It seems you are fairly consistent in pissing in peoples cheerios so I'll consider the source and accept your opinion with that in mind but, once again, you misunderstand.

You didn't piss in MY cheerios. You pissed in somebodies cheerios irresponsibly and without reason by offering a negative opinion on something you have no knowledge of other than you can't afford it and "think" it's too expensive based on your limited knowledge of anything associated with the quality of materials or manufacturing process.

Since it seems you've learned what an opinion is please tell us what real experience your negative opinion of the Para-X was based on. Some fact to backup your opinion might also be helpful.

Well since you can't seem to leave it go, here is what I base my opinion on.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10733&hilit=cupid+clone

Now one more dumb thing you have accused me of has been proven false. now stfu

[jarvis]

You haven't proven anything, Mike. The PARA-X is not the same knife as the passaround ATKO 10 that you so eloquently reviewed. The first page of this thread describes the many improvements in the PARA-X over the ATKO 10. Horizonod has handled many examples of both knives. You've handled one ATKO 10. You may have disliked the passaround ATKO, but that's not the knife being discussed here.

[--J]

At the risk of getting splattered with yellow Cheerios, I just want to jump in and out real quick and say thx to Vagrant and--J for their feedback to my question.  Thx guys!!!SRD

---Nice in & out there Mr115,  ---  and your welcome, Mr Vagrant added some real good mnfg facts too, And Mr. H, we're good, I was never offended, just wanted to make sure I hadn't offended you, and thanks for the nice comments.  I fully understand what your saying and agree. --Mr. Vanagas, you should try to accept the comments made by the senior members as constructive criticism rather than an assault, I believe that's all it was.  Then again, I've worked in construction all my life...when we have something to say, we don't sugarcoat either.

[horizonod]

Very diplomatic Mr J And pretty right on!! Listening is goooooooooooooood.

Mike.I was trying to tell you that your stupid was showing so maybe you would tuck it in. It didn't work. Your logic seems to be: The frames are black and the blades are silver so why is one so much more than the other?? Since I don't understand,.....the more expensive one must be a rip-off.

Buy Chinese stuff if you want to but don't denegrate the MADE IN THE USA product because you can't understand or afford the price difference.

Sorry but I'm fresh out of sugar.

[--J]

Well, the best price I've found was at Horizon Outdoors,   http://nicnac.net/index.html?target=dept_160.html&lang=en-us     anybody ever do business with them in the past?  Any other suggestions?

[j.a.c.]

Yea , he's a good guy and has some drool worthy stuff in his store.

[whippersnapper]

Well, the best price I've found was at Horizon Outdoors,   http://nicnac.net/index.html?target=dept_160.html&lang=en-us     anybody ever do business with them in the past?  Any other suggestions?

Horizon outdoors...Horizonod...Hmmm, wonder if there is a connection?

[SRD115]

Not a bad guy, but, I don't think I'd care to share breakfast with him (Horizon) if'n he's having cold cereal!!!!!!!

[butch]

Well, the best price I've found was at Horizon Outdoors,   http://nicnac.net/index.html?target=dept_160.html&lang=en-us     anybody ever do business with them in the past?  Any other suggestions?

LMAO! I believe you spoken to the owner a few times recently.
Horizinod = Horizon outdoors

[tr4252]

Just to add more opinion here, to me there's a big difference between a typical CNC machined part and a forging, stamped part, or die cast part. Which, I hasten to point out, usually require secondary machining operations. Which, Which, I hasten to point out on the double, usually but not always require conventional jig & fixture machining that goes back to the industrial revolution at its start. It's like comparing a real Smith & Wesson model 19 with one of those life like, functional, but non-shooting replicas. The real Smith is designed to handle the internal pressures, and in addition has the precision built into the parts to maintain a level of accuracy, and resistance to wear. Net result is a mechanism that gives the feel of a precision machine, both solid and smooth in operation, which is exceptionally pleasing. The die cast replicas merely imitate the functions, in a light weight, loose, and "based on actual facts" kind of way. Sort of like watching the movie Woodstock, and wondering what it was really like.

The CNC revolution put an unheard of precision into the manufacturing of products, and the ability to have it without a skilled tradesman doing the job at $32.89 per hour, plus union benefits. I know, I was once a skilled tradesman. Also, a long time ago, a professional user of Smith & Wessons; I know why I prefer a quality product. Now I'm a "skilled" purchaser and specifier. At my best I couldn't come near the repeatable precision that my little bench top CNC 3 axis mill can provide. And all I have to do is set up, load a blank, and turn the son-of-a-bitch on and walk away. Oh, and program the damned thing first, which has taken me about two years to get good at. It was worth the price.

By the way, it was made in America.

Just to put this on the table, I don't particularly like OTF's, but these are pretty hoopy.

As Jim has said, the demand factor drives the marketability of a product, and a Ferrari will generally be in more demand than my Chevy Cavalier (which is a bargain at the price, as far as utility goes). Each product type has its price. Let's admit it, wouldn't we all be driving well made cars, taking beautiful women to expensive restaraunts, and flicking Burns if we had the money? I sure as hell don't. Having said that, my latest girl Linda, Delmonico's, and a ProTech Godson are nicely appropriate for my income level. Desireable, even, considering my middle class mentality.

Tom

p.s. Did I actually say anything here, or just stir the pot?

p.p.s. Nick has a lot of knowledge in these matters, and has a proven track record in precision cereal-pissing. It's the main reason I switched to bagels.

[jim d,]

Tom,

As always, you made sense.

By the way, for those of you that don't this, when Tom writes about mechanical precision in manufacturing you can count on what he writes as being accurate.

Jim

[--J]

Allright allright yuk it up, shit I didn't have a clue...

[TRYKER]

tom what kind of benchtop 3 axsis cnc do you have. smallest i've run is a prototrax a.g.e .3 are they conversational or g code?


tryker