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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by sammy the blade » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:28 am

Doesn't hurt to ask. Never know, they may still have them.

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JayK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:49 am

JulesVane wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:06 am
...well, one thing's for sure. The newer members sure do dig deep into the older threads, which is a good thing! But, sure does throw me off thinking it's a new thread! lol
LOL Im one of those guys that reads older threads, found this while trying to research the history of my Rizzy. Pretty sure its Japan had a quote/unquote Facebook expert tell me its from the 50s or 60s but Im not 100% buying that estimate my guess would be 70s but these are not my thing. Opinions appreciated and no it does not peek!
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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JulesVane » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:05 pm

It's my understanding, and I'll SURELY be corrected if I mis-understand, that the Italian swinguards came out in the 1960's. Giving the Japanese something to copy. They had already copied the Italian picklocks in the 1950's. So, I'm fairly sure they could not have produced the Rizzuto Estileto Milano in the 1950's. I THINK the Japanese REMs were produced in the 60's and 70's, and then the Korean's cloned those in the 1980's. JimBrown257 is our resident expert on this subject and I'm sure can set us both straight. I'm also interested to know about the smooth bale (bail?) vs. the decorative bale (bail?).
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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Maltese flatguard » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:43 pm

JulesVane wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:05 pm
It's my understanding, and I'll SURELY be corrected if I mis-understand, that the Italian swinguards came out in the 1960's. Giving the Japanese something to copy. They had already copied the Italian picklocks in the 1950's. So, I'm fairly sure they could not have produced the Rizzuto Estileto Milano in the 1950's. I THINK the Japanese REMs were produced in the 60's and 70's, and then the Korean's cloned those in the 1980's. JimBrown257 is our resident expert on this subject and I'm sure can set us both straight. I'm also interested to know about the smooth bale (bail?) vs. the decorative bale (bail?).
That’s correct. In the book I’m putting together on the Japanese knives, I’m actually not even going to call many of the knife Rizzutos. That was one marking of dozens of stamps found on them. They were Japanese knives. Rizzuto was only popular because they were sold to American tourists in Mexico. But in Europe and other places they had various other stamps.

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JayK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:44 pm

JulesVane wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:05 pm
It's my understanding, and I'll SURELY be corrected if I mis-understand, that the Italian swinguards came out in the 1960's. Giving the Japanese something to copy. They had already copied the Italian picklocks in the 1950's. So, I'm fairly sure they could not have produced the Rizzuto Estileto Milano in the 1950's. I THINK the Japanese REMs were produced in the 60's and 70's, and then the Korean's cloned those in the 1980's. JimBrown257 is our resident expert on this subject and I'm sure can set us both straight. I'm also interested to know about the smooth bale (bail?) vs. the decorative bale (bail?).
that's what Im seeing too, but you know the Internet, for every 100 posts that say the sun comes up in the east theres gonna be at least 2 that claim it comes up in the west!

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JayK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:51 pm

Maltese flatguard wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:43 pm

That’s correct. In the book I’m putting together on the Japanese knives, I’m actually not even going to call many of the knife Rizzutos. That was one marking of dozens of stamps found on them. They were Japanese knives. Rizzuto was only popular because they were sold to American tourists in Mexico. But in Europe and other places they had various other stamps.

Im new to switchblades relatively speaking so I absorb a lot of information but as I replied before I try to filter what I learn and where I learn it from as best I can.

I think theres some sort of cult following for these knives. All Rizzutos Ive seen (which may be half a dozen) just don't seem to be made as well as the Italians some are no doubt Taiwan copies of a Japanese copy of an Italian "style" as you noted for "tourists" to buy as novelties. Id probably be much happier with a real Mexican switchblade like a Panamex…(theyre not made in Mexico either are they LOL)

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Maltese flatguard » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pm

JayK wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:51 pm
Maltese flatguard wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:43 pm

That’s correct. In the book I’m putting together on the Japanese knives, I’m actually not even going to call many of the knife Rizzutos. That was one marking of dozens of stamps found on them. They were Japanese knives. Rizzuto was only popular because they were sold to American tourists in Mexico. But in Europe and other places they had various other stamps.
Id probably be much happier with a real Mexican switchblade like a Panamex…(theyre not made in Mexico either are they LOL)
Panamex were ultra high quality knives made by the Coriama group. Panamex was located in the same building as Latama on Broadway in NYC.

And there are tons and thousands of Japanese swing guards around. Just google search and you’ll see an endless number of them. They key to collecting them are two things. Finding them in mint shape and finding oddball models.

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JayK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:57 pm

Maltese flatguard wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Panamex were ultra high quality knives made by the Coriama group. Panamex was located in the same building as Latama on Broadway in NYC.

And there are tons and thousands of Japanese swing guards around. Just google search and you’ll see an endless number of them. They key to collecting them are two things. Finding them in mint shape and finding oddball models.
The key to collecting for me is not trying to find rare models or make a profit by reselling, to me its only about collecting what I like. Gun and knife collector for over 50 years juat got interested in switchblades recently.

I tried to trade this for something Id like but they forced me to sell for cash go figure!

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Tom19176 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:16 pm

I remember seeing a few photos of Japan made Rizzutos with green and blue handles. Anyone else see them? Charlie am I correct they were made in those colors? I know the Korean made lever action ones came in several colors.

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Maltese flatguard » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:06 pm

Tom19176 wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:16 pm
I remember seeing a few photos of Japan made Rizzutos with green and blue handles. Anyone else see them? Charlie am I correct they were made in those colors? I know the Korean made lever action ones came in several colors.
Black, red, ivory, white, two different greens...JimBrown knows of all of them

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by JulesVane » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:31 am

I believe there's a rare blue as well.
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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Tom19176 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:17 am

Thanks...Jim ?

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Scotchman » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:18 pm

What does a real Italian Rizzuto or whatever they are called look like, anyone here have one that could post some pics?

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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by TRYKER » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:40 pm

GUNNAR is the man with these he has an exstentsive collection and i believe he had posted a blue one at one time.
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Re: Rizzuto estileto milano knife

Post by Tom19176 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:41 am

I looked through Gunner posts but couldn't find a blue one, But I also remember seeing one. Seems Gunner has not posted in years. Anyone hear from him?

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